The Not So Breakfast Show
Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.
The Not So Breakfast Show
Episode 229: The Five Es of Coaching (Plus Naked Gardening Deadlines)
Ish has discovered the joy of AI video creation, pumping out caveman presentation ads that make everyone laugh, while Sacha's fresh from speaking to the RV crowd about her bus childhood (finally an audience that gets it). This leads into expanding their coaching toolkit beyond their beloved "Not So Breakfast Show" model with five coaching styles that all conveniently start with E.
All good coaching outcomes should result in clear actions and follow-up accountability. If you walk away inspired but directionless, the coach needs to work on their "what happens next" game.
Plus, Sacha's navigating the emotional roller coaster of selling her Hamilton house to move back to Christchurch. The cleaning cycle never ends, and she is also contemplating naked gardening while she still has privacy and no neighbours.
Main Topics
- The Not So Breakfast Show Coaching Model Reminder - The weather/day/details (small talk check-in), Not (what's not going well), So (what do you want, what's stopping you), Break (habits to break), Fast (fast actions), Show (how to show up and follow through)
- The Five Es Coaching Framework - Different styles for different situations: Explain (new person needs the basics), Explore (great questions to understand their perspective), Educate (teach specific skills/frameworks), Engage (get them from "can do" to "want to"), Empower (build confidence and accountability)
- The Empowerment Paradox - Leaders who want empowered teams but won't let go of decision-making, problem-solving, or the cool stuff - you can't keep everything and expect people to step up
Key Insights
- Managers often get stuck using only one or two coaching conversation types, then run out of ideas when people don't change
- The quality of your questions determines exploration success - avoid binary "you got it?" responses
- Education works best when combined with practice, not just telling
- Some coaching conversations need to layer - explain, then explore, then educate, engage, and empower
- You can use these styles on yourself too - diagnose what you need most right now
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