The Not So Breakfast Show
Listen, laugh and learn as we share our latest thoughts about staying relevant, contemporary leadership and doing life right. Ish Cheyne is the Head of Fitness in New Zealand for global fitness juggernaut Les Mills. Sacha Coburn is the COO of Coffee Culture, a leading group of boutique coffee shops, and the co-founder of The Company You Keep.co.nz.
The Not So Breakfast Show
The MC Podcast: Product Knowledge That Converts: PT and GF Mastery
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MC Podcast - Product Knowledge: Personal Training & Group Fitness
Stop treating personal training and group fitness like random features you mention when you walk past them on tour. Join us as we transform your product knowledge from surface-level tour commentary into compelling, goal-focused conversations that actually drive results. With insights from National Group Fitness Manager Geena Pannett, we're breaking down exactly when, why, and how to talk about PT and Group Fitness - plus the story moments that make your tours unforgettable.
Main Topics
- Beyond the Feature Tour -- How to stop defaulting to "here's our PT hub with our trainers" and start creating relevance through context and storytelling
- Personal Training Fundamentals -- Why PT is really about accountability and motivation, not just sets and reps, plus the body adaptation cycle that keeps results coming
- Group Fitness Mastery -- From program categories to perfect class setups, learn which classes to recommend for every goal and fitness level
Episode Highlights
- The Context is King Principle: Why relevance matters more than features when showcasing services
- The FITT Principle: How personal trainers use Frequency, Intensity, Time, and Type to keep your body changing
- 50% Attendance: Why half of all Les Mills attendance goes to group fitness (and what that means for retention)
- Smart Start Strategy: Setting up first-time group fitness experiences that create addicts, not dropouts
PT Knowledge Bombs
- Personal training isn't just for weekly sessions - monthly or 6-weekly check-ins work too (like economy vs business class to Hawaii)
- Always route PT leads through your PT manager for proper allocation
- Accountability + motivation + tailored programming = the real value proposition
- Look for visual examples of great PT sessions happening during tours
Group Fitness Game Changers
- High Efficacy Programs: 30-minute Pump and Cycle classes for maximum enjoyment factor
- Stress-Busters: Mind-body classes (Shapes, Pilates, Body Balance) for anxious, overworked members
- The 3 HIIT Rule: No more than three high-intensity sessions per week for optimal results
Your Product Knowledge Toolkit
- Learn the Les Mills legacy stories (1968 start, 100 countries, science-backed programs)
- Do every class yourself - good or bad experiences become sellable stories
- Use the timetable strategically based on member availability
- Master the art of early setup: equipment location, Smart Tech demos, instructor introductions
Ready to transform your product conversations? Stop touring and start curating experiences. Your next member isn't just buying gym access - they're buying transformation, community, and results. Make sure your product knowledge reflects that value.